Talk:Re:Zero Light Novel Volume 24/@comment-24727405-20200915163336/@comment-5224367-20200916025457

''Yes, it is an adaptation. To this day, all volumes of the main series have followed the same arcs and same event structure to tell the story. The volumes contain countless paragraphs that one-to-one copypasta from the WN and even the chapters borrow the same names. Nothing of significance has been changed yet, just like with the anime, that's because they're both adaptations. Tappei has stated before that the anime did some things that he wished he'd done in the LN, does that mean that the anime now supersedes the LN in terms of canonicity ''

Your interpretation of what is or not revision is irrevlant here. The industry consider the LNs to be revisions of the WNs & Tappei no different. It doesn't matter if the LN follows the WN closely or not what matters if that what author themselves want. Its always been the sole discretion of Tappei & those he trusts. That is whole reason exist and written as it is. Lastly no the anme doesn't superede the LN in canon, just cause it did some he wished he could have before in the story'''. '''What Tappei writes or changes himself is canon. He doesn't control what the anime does otherwise he be the chief writer instead.

''No, these are vastly different from some editor making him cut out or rearrange events or making him introduce plot device crystals for the sake of lowering the amount of pages the story takes up. An example of this is arc 1's battle between Reinhard and Elsa. In the LN, Reinhard didn't use the DP of Arrow Evasion and instead dodged her knife at the end. Tappei has confirmed though that this was only cut out due to the page count and is in fact still canon, it was even in the anime. Same goes for that Puck and Subaru scene that was readded in ep 26, it was clearly only cut due to the page count and so have many others. ''

No its the exaclty the same thing and your providing my point further. Your not making excuses or defending Tappei chaning the first version of the story before the WN because you haven't read it, no emotonal attachment to it unlike the WN. If Tappei thought like you the story would be unreconigable. That fact of matter is that Tappei has always been editinng his story even before he went pro. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of this stance. Its fine to disagree with Tappei but you can't have it both ways. You need to admit you care more your own bias than authorial intent.

The pyroxene was introduced in Frozen Bonds not the Arc 4 LN and has little impact on the arc itself & if anything added more Garf & Freiderica backstory. It was also the undamed colorless crystal in the WN that held Puck after Emila's own broke. It was always there.

''Tappei's editor literally told him "less words, more events", meaning he told him to cram as much into as little as possible and that is definitely what resulted in a lot of scenes getting cut. Writers don't have as much creative freedom as you may think. ''

I have no idea how you interpretated that way. More events means more scenes which is more content. Less words means less roundabout dialogue that dragged a scene on for no reason which fits how the LN has been structiured. If they only wanted to cut down stuff there wouldn't be changes to begin wih let alone new scenes the LN has. There nothing crammed about the LN at all.

''It may not be perfect, but it's way better than what's for sale, which is the same exact product but with actually less content. ''

Except my point is that not the case. In fact the LN has more content & draws from sources that doesn't even exist the WN. It expands upon stuff the WN doesn't bother explaining like where Felt got the dragon staff from. Stuff like Emilia helping the lost child wasn't in the WN either despite being one of the important factors Subaru was drawn to her to begin with. Even the majority of lore & stories on this wiki is from the LN. WN doesn't even talk about Roswaal connection to Wilhelm either & the SS, Ex among other stuff. Beyond this just you view which that of a minority in the fandom. I don't painstalking go through do these comparison writes to say it this lightly.

''The author is not the one that gets to decide which is the better version, it's the readers that judge the story's quality (otherwise every author would give themselves a 10/10). ''

I don't know this comment had with do my argument. Your also being disingenuous because you know damn well if he said the opposite it would suddenly matter and no it does matter. Tappei is perfectly capable of crtiquing his own work (moreso than you) and has done so in the past. That was very basis fo the changes in arc 4 & other arcs. He always asking impressions particualiry criticisms of the LN on twitter to take in consderations too. The arc 4 LN was ultimately much closer to how he wanted things than WN which he felt was unintentionally bloated.

Furthermore even your going by sole readers than the changes Tappei & co made has become even more validated by its readership. Re:Zero constantly ranks with the top 1-3 or 3-5 selling series per year and is one of Kadokawa most successful books both critically & financially. Reviews from both JP & western readers have mostly been very postive. The only arguemnt agaisnt the LN has been based purism & gate-keeping which is pretty telling not worth discussing. Even if some people dislike the LN that doesn't mean they would like WN either & both had their share detractors which is natural.

''It seems you are using 'refine'  to mean 'cut down'. I've heard that the first volume draft he submitted was 1000 pages long, the final product is 300. And maybe he did have a lot of new ideas, arc 1 did have new scenes introduced that do not just replace already existing ones, perhaps I would have liked to see some more of those. Unlike with arc 4 where a lot of good scenes were cut out for no appearant reason.''

No I meant what I said. Anyone who says the LN only cuts down things is a flat out lier because of that, full stop. As I said before the LN has numerous new content the WN doesn't have and that is a fact. Its not abridiged its a rewrite that has been done through the same meticulous planning since the first book. Anything was cut was done so because they didn't matter, regardless of how much you liked them. If Tappei thought they were good he would kept them or even mention those scenes on his twtiter. So on there is reason, you just don't care to hear it.

Moreover course 1000 paged scripted wouldn't work. Who publishes a 1000 paged LN let alone unedited? One of many things that marked Tappei as ametuar including committing the sin of trying to frontload all of the world-buliding in the first book instead of gradually and orgaincally introducing it like we have now.

Any writer worth their salt can write as much as Tappei did in the WN, Its the best ones able evoked the same quality in less words. Ryhogo Narita is an excellent example. Tappei simply learning & becoming more efficent in his writting while maintining the same dense packed storytelling. He's succeding by the results. Frankly I cringe now when I re-reading through some of early dialogue of arc 4 due how bad the flow is. The LN is seriously so much better written & paced while doing everything WN does without needing two chapters to do one thing. I still like the WN but it needed work.

''It's not like they were even retconned, Subaru still stabbed himself in the throat in the LN, but we're only told "this happened" without being shown the scene. Goes for many other scenes, too. It's literally just abridging the story. ''

Also have no idea what you mean here. The LN & WN version of that scene is exactly the same

—When he arrived in the Capital, he found Rem after the attack, and when he knew all was lost, without a shred of hesitation, Subaru stabbed a dagger into his own throat.

'''What he felt at that moment, he could no longer remember. Everything had turned out so perfectly, so perfect beyond everyone’s expectations —  But the truth is, throwing it all away in that instant, none of it mattered to him.'''

If he lost Rem, if it meant walking into a future without her, no matter how many times he must endure that pain, he will —— Only this, Subaru clearly remembers.

Penetrating his throat, in blood, pain, searing heat, and loss, he lost all consciousness.

From the WN

You can find the same passage on pg 268 of vol 9. So shouldn't you be cristizcing the WN instead? Relaly you sound like spitballing most of your info form secondhand source or misremembered certain things which would explain your comments.

I got no problem with prefering out just liking some thing went, but if tryin to argue it being objectively better cause of more content or some other thing I'm going to call you on that. Its simply not true. The LN is revision not adaptation that is widely accepted fact eve if yu don't like it. I would say the samething even if preferred the WN. I'm not tell an author how to write his or her story regardless of my perosnal feelings.